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Saturday, August 23, 2003 Bible rewritten - Aussie style (August 22, 2003): "The 23rd psalm includes the stanzas:Not much more to say, is there? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 10:05 PM | Friday, August 22, 2003 Daniel Pipes puts a post on his blog referring to the Hitchens piece that I wrote about in Jewsweek and earlier in this post. In response to Hitchens' assertion that Pipes was ignoring the possibility that Palestinian refugees exist, I showed how he was quoting out of context and totally undermining what Pipes really meant. But it turns out that Pipes' position was even more nuanced than that, writing: Actually, I was not commenting on dispossession at all - typical sloppy Hitchens style to make a faulty assumption and then go on the rampage against it - but on the peculiar and specific United Nations definition of a "Palestinian refugee" that differs from the definition of any other refugee.Reading what Pipes has to say, it certainly is true that the Palestinian refugee definition is different. However, I don't think that the standard refugee definition is meant to deal with such large numbers as the Palestinian situation presented. As well, Pipes plays with the numbers a bit here, discluding the 1967 folks from the count he uses as a comparison of the definitions, which makes this a dishonest comparison. It's also kind of weird that Pipes is so eager to include Palestinians in the first definition, which would put Israel in some pretty bad company The U.N. High Commission for Refugees applies this term worldwide to someone who, "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted . . . is outside the country of his nationality." Being outside the country of his nationality implies that descendants of refugees are not refugees. Cubans who flee the Castro regime are refugees, but not so their Florida-born children who lack Cuban nationality. Afghans who flee their homeland are refugees, but not their Iranian-born children. And so on.posted by Steven I. Weiss | 4:31 PM | It's probably worth noting that over the past month Protocols has made it to the top Google search page for "protocols." Though we're still somewhere way in the back when searching for "protocols of the elders". posted by Steven I. Weiss | 3:58 PM |Parsha Senryu, Parshas Re'eh
The latest film from Project Greenlight is called "The Battle of Shaker Heights" which is where my Pops grew up in Cleveland. When he was 13, his shul there got bought out by the Young Israel of Beachwood, and each member was given lifetime membership and a cemetary plot. At that point, my father was often the minyan man. I think he was the only unmarried congregant among a bunch of old men, so when he eventually did get married, my mother earned a cemetary plot, too. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 2:26 PM |washingtonpost.com: Artist's Auschwitz 'Souvenirs' Spark Controversy: A Polish artist has sparked controversy in the Netherlands by selling 'Auschwitz souvenirs' -- from crematorium fridge magnets to 'Arbeit Macht Frei' key rings -- to remind people of the horrors of the Nazi death camp.So we should want to buy the ultimate symbol of evil for $1.79 and carry it around in our pockets? Because nothing helps the struggle against evil more than turning it into kitsch. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 1:55 PM | Reader Poupko sends in a link about the new Israeli Hasidic Soap Opera: "Ironically, the subjects of the soap opera, Hasidic Jews, probably won't be watching: Their rabbis do not allow them to own television sets.posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:19 PM | Irish Roman Catholics have been warned that churchgoing could pose a threat to their health because incense contains potentially dangerous chemicals.Nothing yet on the deleterious effects of boring sermons... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:10 PM | You know the annual "did [fill-in-the-Jewish-Holiday] really happen?" questions that always come up. Well, seems Christians have them too (via Crosstalk): "Must we believe in the Virgin Birth? In his recent column in The New York Times, Nicholas Kristof pointed to belief in the Virgin Birth as evidence that conservative Christians are 'less intellectual.' [see this week's WebLog entries] Are we saddled with an untenable doctrine? Is belief in the Virgin Birth really necessary?"posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 11:14 AM | Wild. Check out this story at UnbrokenGlass by blogger Sweet Rose. We'd had some discussion going on before in the comments about how myths persisted in the Jewish community, even among thoroughly educated people (Tolany shared something about a guy who rejected a shidduch because the woman had a relative with Downs Syndrome, a thoroughly non-congenital situation); I don't know where it is, but will post the link if anybody finds it.
Where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods?Now, I've never gone on a shidduch, and therefore have no stories to share, but surely some of our male readership have some whoppers they can offer. Let's correct this unjust imbalance. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 11:10 AM | Thursday, August 21, 2003 Hilarious. NYT: Islamic Militant Groups Say Truce Is Dead After Israeli Strike
Theological Implications of Multiple Universes: One reason for believing in God is that our own universe seems improbably fine-tuned for life. It's as though a cosmic designer had carefully adjusted the physical laws to ensure that beings like us would eventually shimmer onto the scene. But if our universe is one among a vast ensemble of universes with randomly varying physical constants, then it is only to be expected that a few of these universes should be life-fostering. Add to this the fact that if we exist at all, we are bound to find ourselves in a universe that is congenial to us—the so-called "anthropic principle"—and the presumed fine-tuning of our universe seems wholly unremarkable. No need to invoke the God hypothesis to answer the question, why are we here?posted by Steven I. Weiss | 7:54 PM | The Jews need tort reform ASAP! Reader ESBL sends in this link, found via Jonah Goldberg at the Corner. So, some Egyptians are asking for compensation for the property taken by Jews on their way out. Goldberg's response is quite liberal: Of course, if we’re going to play this game, the Egyptians owe the Jews some shmundo too. After all, they held Jews in bondage for generations. The average, say, Jewish accountant or surgeon, makes a very nice living these days. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, $100,000 a year. Multiply that times the number of Hebrews forced to make bricks from straw, times the number of generations in bondage, including overtime and paid vacation – plus night work – compounded over 5,758 years and we’re not talking baklahvah either. Plus, what about the Jews cut of Egypt’s tourism industry? Since the Jews built a lot of that stuff – without compensation – shouldn’t they get a cut of all that too?So how much money does America owe the blacks? Reader ESBL says to look at Sanhedrin 91a -- this is the best link I could find: On one occasion the Egyptians lodged a complaint against the people of Israel before Alexander the Great . They said to him : Is it not written: 'and the Lord gave the people favor in the eyes of Egypt' and they complied? Now give us back the silver and gold which you took from us ... He said to them: I too will bring you proof from the Torah, for it is written: 'And the sojourn of the Israelites who dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years'. Give us compensation for the labor of 600,000 men whom you enslaved in Egypt for four hundred and thirty years ... They searched but could find no answerShe sends in another link to the direct translation, snarkily commenting "Aren't you Y.U. boys?" Well, former, yes...but they take away our links to talmudic translations when we leave. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 7:39 PM | Be against terrorism of any kind and condemn it as much as you can since there is no end to the man’s stupidity.And: "Officials from Hamas and Islamic Jihad say the blast does not mean an end to the cease-fire announced by militant groups in late June." The concept of truth has no meaning to these kinds of people. They can't even agree on the meaning of words like "cease-fire"Guess who wrote those passages? Iranian bloggers Sleepwalker and Kaveh respectively. Iranian bloggers in general are facing crackdowns, bogus charges and unjustified imprisonment -- but they're using them not only to speak out against the Iranian government, but violence against Israel as well. Essentially, they're really putting their necks on the line in order to say their piece about terrorism against Jews. (via Jarvis) posted by Steven I. Weiss | 6:24 PM | This could well be the strangest search engine referral we've gotten yet: apparently we're the third google result for "information about sex for a chosson and kallah". Then again, the Commie is the top result, which means that 2 of the top 3 are at least marginally connected to YU. Coincidence? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 5:18 PM |Jewish "Sex and the City" character sets off philo-nerd love-wave. (via Gawker) posted by Steven I. Weiss | 2:32 PM |Shmuly Boteach's got the most strident response to Dr. Laura out there (to date -- we're just bracing ourselves for the next stage in her spiritual journey) (via mberkow), both in terms of the force of the response itself and how afield he goes to get his material: The late Yeshayahu Leibovitz pointed out that the quintessential symbol of Christianity is Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind, indicating that God serves the purposes of humans. But Judaism's quintessential symbol is Abraham prepared to slaughter his son, Isaac, by God's command. Man is created to serve the purposes of God, and not the reverse. God is not a drug by which we get high.Love him or hate him, he got it right this time. Also see footnote 4 in halakhic man... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 2:04 PM | My parents, still in town for a couple more weeks, have taken to shopping a lot in Brooklyn. They were someplace where they got a two-chicken, two-kugel, two-coleslaw $13.99 special when they got a little extra gift in the bag -- the Flatbush Jewish News. More of an advertisement circular than a newspaper, it contains a large number of ads with articles about and by rabbis tossed in. A surprising number of the articles have no byline, including my favorite: Rabbi Yosef Wikler Offer Tips for Vacationing Out of TownFrom the creative spacing to the selective translation, I love everything about this article. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 1:51 PM | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again" could be the subtitle for this week's excursion through the Jewish Press Letters Section. Two weeks ago, you might recall, Brooklyn's own Rachel Weiss was a runner up Stupid Letter Of the Week for her endorsement of the no "Good Shabbas" status quo in her neck of the woods on the grounds that if we all say "Good Shabbbas" to each other some strange female might come to say "Good Shabbas" to her husband, causing them both to suffer untold spiritual damage. This couldn't go unresponded to, and last week, Soll Zeller opined in a S.L.O.W. winning letter that Rachel Weiss' halakhic reasoning had discredited any woman's ability to really claim knowledge of how halakha works. And now, this week, Rachel herself wins the S.L.O.W. distinction for her response to the response to her original response. Again, she's supporting not saying "Good Shabbas" to people you meet on the way home from shul. The actual letter is quite long, but some excerpts.
Do you deem to compare yourselves to our gedolim, such as Harav Moshe Feinstein, zt"l? As leaders, teachers and mentors to the community at large, our rebbes are the shepherds of their flock and guides to both male and female alike. In Mr. Zeller`s narration, it is obvious that Rav Moshe Feinstein was fulfilling the mitzva of bikur cholim — which entails not only visiting the sick, but inquiring of their welfare — as well as offering prayer on their behalf.So only gedolim can break halakha, it seems, and Gedolim are apparently not models of behavior for us to emulate. Someone should tell Artscroll Biographies immediately. The letter rambles on, and then gets personal: To all those who are overly preoccupied and obsessed with the “greeting” issue, when is the last time you called on an elderly parent or grandparent, aunt or uncle, to greet and to offer some comfort and warmth? And have you spent some genuine quality time with your child(ren) today, demonstrating a sincere interest in what is important to her/him? Charity, after all is said and done, begins at home. So you`ve been there and done that, you say? Well, then, you can always call on your neighbor. But should s/he fail to receive you with the enthusiasm you seek and expect, you can always take a walk and feel at home when you find someone to greet.That's hitting below the belt, I think, and is somewhat reflective of what she must think of non-frum-Brooklyners, right? I think we've gotten down to the root of the issue here... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 10:15 AM | Naomi Chana daydreams about tenure while blogging while putting off syllabus-writing. That can so be me in a few years its scary... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 9:33 AM |Wednesday, August 20, 2003 A James Bennett (NYT) Classic: It was a mystery to many how the bomber, a 29-year-old Palestinian from Hebron, managed to reach the heart of the bus unsuspected, let alone why the bomber — the father of two, the husband of a pregnant woman — would choose to strike among so many children.One wonders if Bennet would be less confused if the bomber had killed 20 senior citizens. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 10:35 PM | Benyamin Cohen bares his balls.
Lemrick Nelson gets maximum sentence of 10 years.
Diane thinks that Howard Dean's wife (nee Steinberg) may become a liability. I think she's just jealous. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 6:21 PM |Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, like the other books, comes off as somewhat ridiculous after far too many instances where the action is saved by a preposterous deus ex machina, and its structure is hopelessly weighed down by the massive, ponderous blocks of outright ham-handed exposition used to fill in the blanks where normal narration ought to do the trick.Who uses terms like "deus ex machina" when discussing children's books? Oren, of course. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 6:12 PM | Tomorrow: 11:30 a.m. -- Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations leads vigil for victims of the Jerusalem and Baghdad terror bombings; expected participants include former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Richard Holbrooke, Israeli Consul General Alon Pinkas and Congressman Jerold Nadler; Isaiah Wall, 43rd Street and First Avenue.posted by Steven I. Weiss | 5:21 PM | Interesting: 7 p.m. -- U.S. Fund for UNICEF holds Candlelight Vigil in honor of UN humanitarian staff killed and injured in Iraq; Ralph J. Bunche Park, First Avenue, between 42nd and 43rd streets.posted by Steven I. Weiss | 5:17 PM | Weisburd posts a breakdown of fatalities by combat/non-combat and similar categories in the Israel/Palestine conflict. The phrase "moral relativism" comes to mind. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 4:15 PM |Ephraim's upset that he didn't get the job at YU's Student Services. I'd think having a Bachelor's degree would go a long way towards getting him the position.
Interesting religio-political stuff at TomPaine that asks "Who Would Jesus Tax?" Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth is complaining that Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has Jesus all wrong. Moore complains that Alabama Gov. Bob Riley calls it his "Christian duty" to raise taxes to help the poor. Instead, he says, "free enterprise is a Christian economic system" and that "involuntary charity" (taxation) is more akin to Mao's China or the U.S.S.R. Furthermore, "Jesus was anything but a fan of tax collectors." (That's funny. According to popular accounts of that era, Jesus chose a tax collector, Levi, as one of his 12 disciples.)As I recall, Jesus' big gripe was with the money changers, not the tax collectors. There probably are many dissertations on how Christianity means to deal with economics. One that I found interesting while studying American Lit is from William Bradford's description of Pilgrim economics. He wrote: The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God.There's more there. When discussing this for a paper at the time, I called Bradford's arguments "paleo-McCarthyist," which I thought was cute. I think there might be some unintended consequences to Moore's piece, however. The Bible does indeed call for us all to act charitably and aid the poor — this is the essence of living a Christian life. But an act of charity is by definition an action that is voluntary. Taxes aren’t voluntary. (Try not paying them, and see what happens.)This does, first of all, raise a mildly interesting church/state question: If the state's activities can't be subordinated to the Church, can the Church's activities be subordinated to the state? Are relevant taxes considered charity? Are there any other activities that can raise similar questions? But there's a second question that I think has larger practical ramifications: If there is this disconnect between religious responsibility and government activity, is there any legitimate use of religious argument to justify political actions? Does this disconnect mean that being religiously anti-abortion doesn't have any bearing on response to the state's decisions about it? posted by Steven I. Weiss | 3:54 PM | Bus Bomb Killed Five Americans posted by Anonymous | 2:18 PM |Ultimately Pataki at fault for the blackout in NY
Yoshev Al HaGeder is never better than when he's discussing shiddukhim. It's in Hebrew though, so be ready to read from right to left. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 1:32 PM |An alleged fraudster charged in a $170 million corporate rip-off raised a holy stink when the feds demanded that the Hasidic Jew be put on an electronic bracelet - claiming the monitoring goes against his religion...Well, he hasn't been convincted yet, so I shouldn't say anything, but if he turns out to be guilty, the hypocrisy sort of makes me sick... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:35 PM | Kabbalah Games. According to MSNBC, Madonna spent $300,000 cash (see how chareidi she's getting?) on a house for Eitan Yardeni, her Kabbalah guru. In the meantime, one wonders how aware she is that: Rabbi Itzhak Kaduri, Israel’s top Kabbalistic expert has said whoever supports that [Yardeni, Kabbalah Center, etc.] group, “financially or otherwise. . . .is endangering his soul.”Reader Yuter suggests that Kaduri and Yardeni have a Har Carmel-style faceoff, where whoever gets God to BBQ his schwarma first winning top Kabbalist bragging rights and the chairmanship of an Israeli political party. Speaking of the Jewish Answer to Scientology, by the way, Yehudah Berg sent out a mass email this morning telling us all to buy the Sedona Method. I don't think so... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:11 PM | Mystic Meg, the UK Sun's house astrologer, responds to the discredit of astrology I blogged about yesterday: "At best, these findings are just a matter of opinion — after all, science is not the same as fact.This about speaks for itself, dontchathink? Parting blow: More than 350,000 people, from all the 12 star signs, filled in a special questionnaire about their love lives. In all the categories the star sign made a real difference....I think these results have more relevance to you than the conclusions of a bunch of scientific spoilsports.Indeed? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 9:23 AM | Uh-Oh: check out what's happened to Instaconfused. What do you think this means...? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:30 AM |Tuesday, August 19, 2003 Its about time, but Michael Weiner, aka Michael Savage, is back on the New York airwaves. Or is that God help us all? Either way, this shouldn't last long, given his track record... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 11:58 PM |Blame Canada: A telling observation by TMQ: "Plus, here is the news that absolutely made TMQ's week. During the blackout, there was looting in Toronto and Ottawa, while in New York City and Detroit, civic order was maintained. New Yorkers and Detroiters patiently abided by the law while Canadians engaged in pillaging! Time for our neighbor to the north to take a look in the mirror, it would seem."As usual, you have to read the whole article, but then again, it is TMQ, so I should assume you already have... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 11:33 PM | The LAT religion section is currently listing a bevy of stories from August 16th. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 8:16 PM |Yuter's got fun tales about YU's trumpeting its USNews rankings, of which the latest have just been released. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 8:12 PM |Breaking News: astrology doesn't work. Still: Some of the most popular figures in the field, such as Russell Grant, Mystic Meg and Shelley von Strunckel, can earn £600,000 or more a year.I've got a great idea for protocols... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 12:41 PM | Now that his MA in Talmud is all finished, Yuter seems to be transforming himself into a Islamic scholar recently. First, his blog now features a discussion about Muslim headcoverings. Then, and much funnier, he IMs me an article about the Arab world's version of American Idol. WHEN THE Lebanese frontrunner was eliminated in the semifinals last week, angry fans in the audience pelted each other with chairs or anything else they could find, and the two remaining contestants fainted. Scores of people took to the streets in Lebanon to protest.It seems to me like that's the default reaction to much of anything over there, sort of like downtown LA, which has developed the minhag of setting cop cars on fire whether the Lakers win or lose... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 11:45 AM | I wonder if these people are Jewish...'Who wants to marry my daughter?' posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 9:40 AM |Yet another example of the Israeli Secular Left's being so right and so wrong at the same time:
Balagan wants to have an Isra-blogger meet-up.
Josh Cherniss has one of the funnier responses to being added to our blogroll: Thanks, guys. If there's ever a pogrom against bloggers, I'll now be on the hit list.posted by Steven I. Weiss | 4:32 AM | Monday, August 18, 2003 From the Times: "Israelis Worry About Terror, by Jews Against Palestinians". Interesting bit of moral equivalence, but if you read the article carefully you realize that nobody knows if any Israeli vigilante gangs even exist in the first place, and, if they do, what atrocities they've actually comitted. I mean, when the caption for the accompanying picture says: Samar Tamaizi and her daughter Amira on Monday in the village of Idna, near Hebron, with a memorial erected to three members of their family who were killed two years ago, the family believes by Jewish settlers.you know that there really isn't a strong case for very much. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 11:11 PM | CLASSIC NYT picture and caption. The article's ok too. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 7:42 PM |Well, it took a few days: WorldNetDaily: Al-Qaida claims power blackout? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 7:12 PM |Bangitout's Tu B'Av Party Pics. Interestingly, there's a notice about how to complain and have a picture removed, but no information about how to add pictures -- that says something, for sure.
Parsha Senryu - Parshas Eikev
Yuter sends in another link, this one to a NYT Magazine article about a Jewish bookie now living in Costa Rica. Still, it was a tough way to make a living. K.C. was forever trying to evade the police. More troubling, he had been raised by traditional Orthodox Jewish parents in Chicago, and the fact that he was now a criminal in the eyes of his family as well as of the law deeply affected him. The guilt wasn't enough to make him quit bookmaking -- K.C. was a gambler and a sports nut through and through -- but his feelings gnawed at him, especially when he would come home for Thanksgiving and have to sneak away from the dinner table to an upstairs phone to take bets on a Dallas Cowboys game.to say nothing about Yom Kippur world series games. Also interesting: The first hard evidence that offshore betting would not be tolerated by the feds came in 1997, when Jay Cohen, the outspoken founder of World Sports Exchange (wsex.com), one of the first offshore books, was charged along with 19 other bookmakers for violating the Wire ActIs he also Jewish? Is bookmaking the new moneylending? posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 1:25 PM | Our first mention in a Russian publication...to my knowledge. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 12:43 PM |Okay, I'm online...finally. Expect stuff soon. posted by Steven I. Weiss | 12:35 PM |Europe Suffering Values Crisis, Pope Says: The pontiff in recent weeks has decried what he calls a movement away in Europe from its Christian roots.Yuter makes two observations via IM (which he wants on protocols but not his own blog for Some Reason: 1) There is no mention of God anywhere in Israel's declaration of independence, yet nobody has any trouble recognizing Israel's national roots and history. 2) The original Christian values and identity that the Pope is talking about were responsible for such atrocities as the Crusades, Inquisitions, etc. Isn't that worth thinking about for just a second? Good points. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 10:15 AM | Sunday, August 17, 2003 So I go analog for the weekend due to the whole power shutdown, and when I get back, I discover that two of my posts from last week have generated an extreme volume of response. Something like 45 comments on my bangitout.com addendum, a hissy fit from some guy named Albert, plus an extremely well-deservedass-kicking in response to a rather off-the-cuff rant that I wrote hung over (I promise not to pull Larisa's pigtails anymore, teacher....); I've had a LOT to read today, and most of it was my fault.
I don't think we ever posted the link to the Jewsweek piece on the superfreak lubavitcher. So here it is. Enjoy, y'all. One small comment of my own. When Elder I posted a teaser for the article, there was a line that went like this: "I did a Snickers commercial and it was like dueling rabbis ... we had a chuckling contest," he told JewsweekNow, I thought that was a little strange. Chuckling Rabbis? I dunno. In contrast, the real article reads: "I did a Snickers commercial and it was like dueling rabbis. They had a fellow who didn't understand Yiddish who was pretending to speak Yiddish to me and everyone else in the room," Marks tells Jewsweek. "Then we had a shuckling contest because he just started copying everything I would do. It was very funny."Now, that makes more sense... posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 1:59 PM | Pat Robertson's crew has an article on Close Calls: Divine Protection for Christians in Israel: Since the Israeli-Palestinian conflict began in September of 2000, more than 800 people have been murdered in terrorist attacks. Two are known to have been Christian believers.Very tricky theological calculus here. So God only protects the Christians, as opposed to the Jews who were on the busses that the Christians just missed? Its a little weak for them to get up 2 years into a bloody intifada, and say "poor us; some of us nearly got killed out there!" Very much playing the victim in a conflict that has nothing to do with them. posted by Voice From The Hinterlands | 1:50 PM | Well, I'm alive, just in case you were wondering. Flying with my family from Laguardia to LAX via Detroit, we took off in New York minutes before the blackout, only to land in Detroit completely unawares. The airport, as well as everything else in Detroit, was powerless; we deplaned from the aft stairs and crawled under propped-up emergency gates through a darkened baggage terminal to the curb, where we sorted through piles to find our luggage. We called an Atlanta friend's son's wife's father, who lives in Detroit, and asked to stop by. We took cabs there and stayed there for the night, trying to figure out where we could go and when. Long story short, we ended up on a flight to LA, after waiting at the gate for a couple of hours.
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